it was a 5-4 decision, which the conclusion being that the supreme court doesn't feel it's their job the decide what falls within the "public good" clause of eminent domain.
They stated that this doesn't nothing to prevent states from legislating limits on eminent domain seizures by municipal government
Thank you for seeing through the knee-jerk reaction. Basically they said what the Conservatives would normally say, the states have the power. Rather than limit the rights of the states this ruling gives them more power. What they do with it is not for the federal government to decide.
Want your state to make laws to prevent this? Show up and vote.
Same here. WTF are we coming to? Guess it's time to use the 2nd Amendment Citizen Veto - Some rich fucker kicks me out of my house, there's going to be blood spilled. Sorry, my get-along limits stop there.
Some rich fucker kicks me out of my house, there's going to be blood spilled. Sorry, my get-along limits stop there.
Some rich fucker may take your house, my wife took mine with 1 lie.
Daily I read about courts and how they are unjust. Loosing constitutional rights. I've never had to deal with the courts, so I figured hire a good lawyer and things should be ok. Oh was I wrong.
2 weeks ago, I'm in the middle of a nasty divorce, my wife called me an abuser, no proof. I was kicked out of my house, ordered to pay for counseling for the children, have to go to eval for being an abuser, and she gets to go to battered women's counseling. She gets 1/2 my pay, and I pay for her lawyer.
We had people living with us who testified SHE was the abusive one in the relationship. I couldnt believe the male bias I encountered. Male != abuser. I was the one who filed for divorce!
So, here I am, a working professional, never did anything wrong in my life (well, download an mp3 or 2), and I'm at the mercy of the courts because "For the safety of the children" in the temporary hearings I'm now homeless. Broke from lawyers bills and now have to hire a criminal lawyer on top of it.
Courts are screwing people over left and right, and this is news? Family court doesn't even have normal oversights, its totally unregulated.
What's my recourse? Suffer daily or commit suicide. That's what the courts left me with. Suicide rate for divorced men is over 30%, divorce rate is over 50%, and yet, no regulation for fairness for men in family court, no recourse against false allegations.
I wish I had a constitution blanket, wrap me up and make me feel safe, but thats just lunacy. American men are no longer free, 1 day in court showed me that. Everything I worked for my entire life gone in a day.
I live in Washington, but I have a step-sister who just broke off an abusive relationship who lived in Louisiana and we're finding that the laws governing such things vary a LOT between different states... our lawyer here in Washington told us that most Southern states use the French court system while most other states use the English system, and the two systems are quite different.
Washington State. Its a no-fault state, which means a spouse can cheat and it doesnt matter in the divorce court. Behavior like that should count. Thats the reason I filed, a cyber affair in world of warcraft turned into a real affair. She was calling him every weekend on a phone card, so I wouldnt know.
I have a co-worker from California, he was married 12 years, since it was over 10 years, he has to pay alimony for life or the spouse re-marries. Guess what, no insentive to remarry with a free income.
Yeah. Fortunately, I haven't had any legal troubles yet in my life... and I don't have a lot of experience with the Washington legal system, either, other than hearing a lawyer using it as a point-of-reference on why the French-style legal tradition sucks.
You should definately put your story on that website you linked. Even if you just copy and paste the version you just typed here on Slashdot... it would improve the site a lot to know that it's actually from a person with experience with injustice.
Thanks, I'm doing that tonight. Also thinking of putting up a paypal fund, as a few friends said they would help me with legal bills. Amazing how many people I've known for years pop up for support.
Nice to know, treating people with respect comes back when you need it. Too bad the judge didnt take the word of the entire family, neighbors, and teachers over her and her best friend...
Suicide rate for divorced men is over 30%, divorce rate is over 50%
This is not at all right. Google says the actual rate is 43.7 suicides per 100,000 divorced men, which is 0.0437%, far below 1%.
I don't point this out to minimize your problems, just to show you that over 99.9% of divorced men get through it, and you will too, even if it seems overwhelming right now. Hang in there.
Please don't kill yourself. Move to Canada instead. Thats what I will do if I am a victim of eminent domain. For now, I am joining the Libertarian party.
That does sound like feminism gone bad. True feminists advocate equal opportunity, not special treatment. But it is evident that the rules are changing, and we have less control over our lives than we thought we did.
Suicide rate for divorced men is 30%? According to the Census Bureau, about 10% of the US adult population (or approx 20 million people) are divorced (and haven't remarried). If we assume a 50/50 male/female split, that's about 10 million divorced men.
According to the CDC [cdc.gov], 30,622 people killed themselves in 2001, or approximately 0.01% of Americans. If we assume ALL suicides were divorced men, we'd get only about 0.3% of divorced men killing themselves in any given year. Clearly, that metric is off by
by Anonymous Coward
on Thursday June 23 2005, @07:17PM (#12896067)
Brook, its not just men that get the shaft in the courts.
My husband was arrested for abuse. But he had the audacity (and knowledge) to go into court and cry real tears as he claimed I was an alcoholic, neglected the children, and slept around. He said I made false charges of abuse against him when he tried to get me treatment.
All the judge had to do was read the police report to see he was lying. I didn't drink then, and I don't drink now. I was a hard working, devoted wife and mother. I arrived with a stack of documents and several witnesses willing to testify to those facts. But the judge waived me off, and my husband's lie against me resulted in much the same deal you experienced. Over my frantic objections the judge gave him our house, our business, all of our assets, custody of our children, and all of my personal possessions. I was told to "dry out" and she'd take another look at the case.
After 25 years of working 80 hour weeks (through pregnancies and nursing babies) and doing without so many things I wanted, in order to insure financial security for my family - I left that courtroom with $12 in my pocket, no job and nowhere to live. The ONLY thing I got that day was child support imputed based on the TOTAL income of our business - something that took me over a dozen years to build up. I could not make a fraction of that on my own.
The court appointed shrink took a look at my evidence and heard my witnesses. By the third appointment she wrote out a letter saying the court had made a terrible mistake... but by the time I got another hearing TWO YEARS LATER the kids had been seriously abused and everything I owned was gone. He sold it all off and hid the cash. NOTHING was left but a bunch of dysfunctional, angry teenagers.
I know EXACTLY how you feel, but please, don't think its just MEN. I'm very much female. Our courts SUCK. There's no other word for it. Judges are political hacks that make fast, uninformed decisions based more on prejudice than evidence. Go sit outside family court one day and look at all the people crying, their lives devistated by one stroke of the gavel. They aren't all male.
My wife and I have been spending a fortune trying to get control of her ex-husband's custody situation. He is verbally abusive of their children, as he had been with her. However, verbal abuse is one of those gray areas and she has had to just deal with it for many years (even after the divorce) simply because she couldn't afford to do anything about it. He also hasn't had to increase his support with his income simply because his intimidation tactics do work - why fight over a few
I'm not sure it is really a matter of them not believing - it is more a matter of whether the fear of their father is sufficient reason to deny the father custody.
Right now we're crossing our fingers that counselling actually helps out. We're also pushing to word any future custody agreements to indicate that the kids will have some say in the situation, but that may require litigation, which of course is very expensive.
Note that this is up to now all based on the opinions of lawyers - judges haven't act
Your courts suck. Not just yours, but also the ones in my country. And in any country. because there is no way in hell a judge can make a reasonable decision on how to handle the breakup of a family when he is required by law to keep the husband and wife on the other side of the bench for impartiality's sake. I know. I was a child whose custody was mishandled by a judge. It resulted in me being molested until I made a credible threat on my guardian's life. But I'm not bitter at the judge (much). He didn't k
Although it would be risky and require a bunch of sacrafice, have you considered taking your kids (Despite what the courts say it isn't kidnapping if your situation is really as you present it) and moving to somewhere without an extradition treaty to the US. Heck you could probably even come to Canada and drag out the extradition proceedings for 10 years.
I got into a DUI accident a couple years ago. I had a friend in the car with me, and he was hurt so we called an ambulence. He had a cut on his head that required stitches and a chipped ankle that required a boot for a few weeks.
I was in school at the time and living off my student loans like a lot of other freshmen. I couldn't afford a lawyer, so I went with the public attourney. I figured she would take care of me and get this all settled properly.
I was up against a felony charge of vehicular batter
Maybe you should consider printing this out and sending it to any involved judge, the media, and anyone else who will take a copy. Who knows, maybe it'll help...
#1) don't kill your self. Listen, what you did sucks but they cant kill you for it, and your not gonna die from it. so don't kill your self
#2) declare bankruptcy. Do it now, because the law changes in a few months. They cant go after you if you are bankrupt.
#3) when you go into court tell the judge the situation. Tell them you declared bankruptcy and your really trying to put your life back together. that you made a stupid mistake that you learned from it and you want to get back to living your life
I guess I'll assume this entire story is true, and offer my comments as such....
Wow, as much as I am a rabid supporter of harsher penalties for DUI, this certainly isn't what I have in mind.
I represented a criminal defendant once in a similiar situation financially. He had to pay restitution, and if he didn't he went to jail, and of course, you can't earn money in jail. The cycle repeats.
I agree with the other reply about declaring bankruptcy. However, if you ARE considering the military, you might want
You drove drunk, without insurance, and crashed? And you're complaining that you have to pay your bills? You drive a car even though you can't afford it? And you're complaining about your situation?
I'll try to bring you back to reality:
1. People who drive without insurance fuck things up for everyone else, especially us hard-working people who pay through the nose for insurance. 2. People who drive drunk are worthless scumbags. You should have gotten a year. 3. If you're complaining about not having enough
As someone that was seriously injured as the result of another driver under the influence, you should not be concentrating on how poor and pitiful you are, but on what a fucked-up thing you did.
You're actually quite lucky that's all the damage that was done. You could have been in an accident and killed your friend, or even worse an innocent bystander.
Pay your measely $700, serve your terrible 24 days, and live out your life without the help of alcohol.
As someone that was seriously injured as the result of another driver under the influence, you should not be concentrating on how poor and pitiful you are, but on what a fucked-up thing you did.
Yeah. I can't believe ran his car into a bus full of children. Oh wait. He didn't do that.
You're actually quite lucky that's all the damage that was done. You could have been in an accident and killed your friend, or even worse an innocent bystander.
Yeah. I can't believe ran his car into a bus full of children. Oh wait. He didn't do that.
Not yet. It probably wasn't the first time he'd driven drunk, it was only a matter of time before he caused an accident. It's incredibly fortuanate he didn't kill anyone, he was lucky to get 24 days.
Why is a bystander more innocent than his friend?
His friend presumably knew he was drunk when he got into the car. And allowed him to drive.
It probably wasn't the first time he'd driven drunk, it was only a matter of time before he caused an accident.
And you know this...how?
It's incredibly fortuanate he didn't kill anyone
Not relevant. The question at hand was whether he was poorly represented by his lawyer.
he was lucky to get 24 days.
What percentage of people (first-time offenders) get more than 24 days? Was his sentence incredibly light compared to the average? If the answer is "no," then stop using hyperbole to make it seem like he
Unfortunately, I've seen this same story, or at least one similiar, play out at least a dozen times. I spent two years working with my former law school's legal aid clinic, which did quite a bit of family law work.
For starters, we always took female clinics in divorce matters. Always. I don't remember a single male clinic in a divorce. What is the impact of this? Basically, legal aid clinics might not have a lot of real attorneys or money, but what they do have is time. LOTS of time. Clinics can file endle
Sorry I can't help you, but that sounds like a really shitty position. It's so lame how much the family courts swing in the interest of the wife.
My brothers wife cheated on him and left him 3 times before he learned his lesson. She has no job, and my brother pays 1K per child just so she will let him see them more then every other weekend.(Granted he can afford that) How messed up is that? He has to pay his Xwife enough so she won't ever have to work so he can see his kids more then 6 days a month.
This is all too common - world wide. I live in the UK and have been through 10 years of hell and trying to remain part of my kids' lives.
I am a lucky one, I still know my kids, many people that I know don't get to see theirs because ''dad seeing the kids upsets mum, mum being upset is bad for the kids, so dad must not see the kids''. I know many men ruined: emotionally as well as finacially by this so called ''justice''.
It has also cost me £250,000, I am behind with my taxes and her lawyers are try
I know a guy who, by agreement, took sole custody of their only child. He went to court so he would no longer have to pay child support.
Get this, the court ruled that he still has to pay his ex-wife for child support; in spite of the fact that his ex-wife doesn't support the child - he does.
I have been AWARDED child support, but I haven't gotten any in a few months, from my ex who promptly quit her job and started living on the money put away for our daughter's college fund. And since I'm a guy, the state just laughs at me if I complain.
I hear you. I married a woman who has stately clearly that she never loved me. Friends told me after the seperation how she bragged about tricking me into pregnancy. She argued strongly for abortions each time and I talked her out of it twice, once right after proposal and once later after agreeing to wait and save for a house. The last time after 8 years of poverty I did not fight her (two weeks prior to scheduled vasectomy). She thru her arms up, claimed i never loved her and was with another man withi
Not as bad as it sounds... (Score:5, Informative)
They stated that this doesn't nothing to prevent states from legislating limits on eminent domain seizures by municipal government
Re:Not as bad as it sounds... (Score:5, Insightful)
Want your state to make laws to prevent this? Show up and vote.
Re:Not as bad as it sounds... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Not as bad as it sounds... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Some rich fucker may take your house, my wife took mine with 1 lie.
Daily I read about courts and how they are unjust. Loosing constitutional rights. I've never had to deal with the courts, so I figured hire a good lawyer and things should be ok. Oh was I wrong.
2 weeks ago, I'm in the middle of a nasty divorce, my wife called me an abuser, no proof. I was kicked out of my house, ordered to pay for counseling for the children, have to go to eval for being an abuser, and she gets to go to battered women's counseling. She gets 1/2 my pay, and I pay for her lawyer.
We had people living with us who testified SHE was the abusive one in the relationship. I couldnt believe the male bias I encountered. Male != abuser. I was the one who filed for divorce!
So, here I am, a working professional, never did anything wrong in my life (well, download an mp3 or 2), and I'm at the mercy of the courts because "For the safety of the children" in the temporary hearings I'm now homeless. Broke from lawyers bills and now have to hire a criminal lawyer on top of it.
Courts are screwing people over left and right, and this is news? Family court doesn't even have normal oversights, its totally unregulated.
What's my recourse? Suffer daily or commit suicide. That's what the courts left me with. Suicide rate for divorced men is over 30%, divorce rate is over 50%, and yet, no regulation for fairness for men in family court, no recourse against false allegations.
I wish I had a constitution blanket, wrap me up and make me feel safe, but thats just lunacy. American men are no longer free, 1 day in court showed me that. Everything I worked for my entire life gone in a day.
God bless America, men need the miracles.
-Brook
http://www.justiceformen.com/ [justiceformen.com]
Parent
Re:Not as bad as it sounds... (Score:2)
I live in Washington, but I have a step-sister who just broke off an abusive relationship who lived in Louisiana and we're finding that the laws governing such things vary a LOT between different states... our lawyer here in Washington told us that most Southern states use the French court system while most other states use the English system, and the two systems are quite different.
Re:Not as bad as it sounds... (Score:3, Interesting)
I have a co-worker from California, he was married 12 years, since it was over 10 years, he has to pay alimony for life or the spouse re-marries. Guess what, no insentive to remarry with a free income.
Ano
Re:Not as bad as it sounds... (Score:2)
You should definately put your story on that website you linked. Even if you just copy and paste the version you just typed here on Slashdot... it would improve the site a lot to know that it's actually from a person with experience with injustice.
Re:Not as bad as it sounds... (Score:2)
Nice to know, treating people with respect comes back when you need it.
Too bad the judge didnt take the word of the entire family, neighbors, and teachers over her and her best friend...
Re:Not as bad as it sounds... (Score:2)
Just a thought. (Score:1, Informative)
This is not at all right. Google says the actual rate is 43.7 suicides per 100,000 divorced men, which is 0.0437%, far below 1%.
I don't point this out to minimize your problems, just to show you that over 99.9% of divorced men get through it, and you will too, even if it seems overwhelming right now. Hang in there.
Re:Just a thought. (Score:1, Informative)
Did look at the National institutes of Mental Health.
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/suicideprevention/suifact
8th leading cause of death by males is suicide.
Crazy...
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According to the CDC [cdc.gov], 30,622 people killed themselves in 2001, or approximately 0.01% of Americans. If we assume ALL suicides were divorced men, we'd get only about 0.3% of divorced men killing themselves in any given year. Clearly, that metric is off by
Re:Not as bad as it sounds... (Score:5, Insightful)
My husband was arrested for abuse. But he had the audacity (and knowledge) to go into court and cry real tears as he claimed I was an alcoholic, neglected the children, and slept around. He said I made false charges of abuse against him when he tried to get me treatment.
All the judge had to do was read the police report to see he was lying. I didn't drink then, and I don't drink now. I was a hard working, devoted wife and mother. I arrived with a stack of documents and several witnesses willing to testify to those facts. But the judge waived me off, and my husband's lie against me resulted in much the same deal you experienced. Over my frantic objections the judge gave him our house, our business, all of our assets, custody of our children, and all of my personal possessions. I was told to "dry out" and she'd take another look at the case.
After 25 years of working 80 hour weeks (through pregnancies and nursing babies) and doing without so many things I wanted, in order to insure financial security for my family - I left that courtroom with $12 in my pocket, no job and nowhere to live. The ONLY thing I got that day was child support imputed based on the TOTAL income of our business - something that took me over a dozen years to build up. I could not make a fraction of that on my own.
The court appointed shrink took a look at my evidence and heard my witnesses. By the third appointment she wrote out a letter saying the court had made a terrible mistake... but by the time I got another hearing TWO YEARS LATER the kids had been seriously abused and everything I owned was gone. He sold it all off and hid the cash. NOTHING was left but a bunch of dysfunctional, angry teenagers.
I know EXACTLY how you feel, but please, don't think its just MEN. I'm very much female. Our courts SUCK. There's no other word for it. Judges are political hacks that make fast, uninformed decisions based more on prejudice than evidence. Go sit outside family court one day and look at all the people crying, their lives devistated by one stroke of the gavel. They aren't all male.
Parent
Re:Not as bad as it sounds... (Score:2)
My wife and I have been spending a fortune trying to get control of her ex-husband's custody situation. He is verbally abusive of their children, as he had been with her. However, verbal abuse is one of those gray areas and she has had to just deal with it for many years (even after the divorce) simply because she couldn't afford to do anything about it. He also hasn't had to increase his support with his income simply because his intimidation tactics do work - why fight over a few
Re:Not as bad as it sounds... (Score:2)
Re:Not as bad as it sounds... (Score:2)
Right now we're crossing our fingers that counselling actually helps out. We're also pushing to word any future custody agreements to indicate that the kids will have some say in the situation, but that may require litigation, which of course is very expensive.
Note that this is up to now all based on the opinions of lawyers - judges haven't act
Re:Not as bad as it sounds... (Score:2)
I know it's trite, but I and probably many others have you in our thoughts.
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Sorry to ask but I'd just like to know for my own reference. Thanks!
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I was in school at the time and living off my student loans like a lot of other freshmen. I couldn't afford a lawyer, so I went with the public attourney. I figured she would take care of me and get this all settled properly.
I was up against a felony charge of vehicular batter
Re:Not as bad as it sounds... (Score:2)
Maybe you should consider printing this out and sending it to any involved judge, the media, and anyone else who will take a copy. Who knows, maybe it'll help...
Re:Not as bad as it sounds... (Score:2)
It may help with some of your debts to declare bankruptcy.
Re:Not as bad as it sounds... (Score:1, Insightful)
#2) declare bankruptcy. Do it now, because the law changes in a few months. They cant go after you if you are bankrupt.
#3) when you go into court tell the judge the situation. Tell them you declared bankruptcy and your really trying to put your life back together. that you made a stupid mistake that you learned from it and you want to get back to living your life
Most
Re:Not as bad as it sounds... (Score:1)
Wow, as much as I am a rabid supporter of harsher penalties for DUI, this certainly isn't what I have in mind.
I represented a criminal defendant once in a similiar situation financially. He had to pay restitution, and if he didn't he went to jail, and of course, you can't earn money in jail. The cycle repeats.
I agree with the other reply about declaring bankruptcy. However, if you ARE considering the military, you might want
Re:Not as bad as it sounds... (Score:2)
I'll try to bring you back to reality:
1. People who drive without insurance fuck things up for everyone else, especially us hard-working people who pay through the nose for insurance.
2. People who drive drunk are worthless scumbags. You should have gotten a year.
3. If you're complaining about not having enough
Re:Not as bad as it sounds... (Score:2)
As someone that was seriously injured as the result of another driver under the influence, you should not be concentrating on how poor and pitiful you are, but on what a fucked-up thing you did.
You're actually quite lucky that's all the damage that was done. You could have been in an accident and killed your friend, or even worse an innocent bystander.
Pay your measely $700, serve your terrible 24 days, and live out your life without the help of alcohol.
Could your attorney have p
Re:Not as bad as it sounds... (Score:2)
Yeah. I can't believe ran his car into a bus full of children. Oh wait. He didn't do that.
You're actually quite lucky that's all the damage that was done. You could have been in an accident and killed your friend, or even worse an innocent bystander.
Why is a bystander more innocent than his friend?
Anyway, sto
Re:Not as bad as it sounds... (Score:2)
Not yet. It probably wasn't the first time he'd driven drunk, it was only a matter of time before he caused an accident. It's incredibly fortuanate he didn't kill anyone, he was lucky to get 24 days.
Why is a bystander more innocent than his friend?
His friend presumably knew he was drunk when he got into the car. And allowed him to drive.
Re:Not as bad as it sounds... (Score:2)
And you know this...how?
It's incredibly fortuanate he didn't kill anyone
Not relevant. The question at hand was whether he was poorly represented by his lawyer.
he was lucky to get 24 days.
What percentage of people (first-time offenders) get more than 24 days? Was his sentence incredibly light compared to the average? If the answer is "no," then stop using hyperbole to make it seem like he
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Re:Not as bad as it sounds... (Score:1)
For starters, we always took female clinics in divorce matters. Always. I don't remember a single male clinic in a divorce. What is the impact of this? Basically, legal aid clinics might not have a lot of real attorneys or money, but what they do have is time. LOTS of time. Clinics can file endle
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I am a lucky one, I still know my kids, many people that I know don't get to see theirs because ''dad seeing the kids upsets mum, mum being upset is bad for the kids, so dad must not see the kids''. I know many men ruined: emotionally as well as finacially by this so called ''justice''.
It has also cost me £250,000, I am behind with my taxes and her lawyers are try
divorce is unbelievably biased (Score:2)
Get this, the court ruled that he still has to pay his ex-wife for child support; in spite of the fact that his ex-wife doesn't support the child - he does.
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Tell me the system isn't rigged...
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